Longterm Project for newbies (upgrading a venue slowly)
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:12 am
Hello
If u just want to answer the questions i have u can skip the presentation part and go straight to the question part But since i am hoping this to be a longlived thread for like a year or longer i thought id make a brief presentation.
PRESENTATION PART:
12 of us local Djs in Stockholm recently started our own friday club in a venue that has quite a bit of potential with its high ceiling and large main floor! We play mainly house music and love what we do. This is a part-time project but most of us pour 15+ hours each week on this
We are in our 8th week and so far things are looking okay!
The problem has been that it has been a while since this venue had any type of shape-up in forms of lighting upgrades! The current lightning fixtures are more adapted for rock concerts than club experience!
We want to change all that and we started this project mainly not to make money but to work towards the club of our dreams in stockholm! Our dream is to one day in maybe a few years reach international club standard (if we get there god knows but thats what we aim for)!
We made immediate basic upgrades to the venues light system with what money we had starting with budget items:
6 triphases
8 moving heads (4x mv250 and 4x mh-x25)
16x par64
2x stairville strobe 1500
1x Antari Z-1200 (soon to be 2)
8x Pixel bar 12 (going to be 40)
Current controllers
Dmx joker 1024 (1 universe used atm)
Dmx Master I (hooked to the 16 pars with some very basic programming)
Now on the Dj side we are quite good but we know almost nothing about light control .. Although so far we run all the lights live with some basic programming! The upside to this is we know all excatly all the house tracks and where the drops, breaks and buildups go so we can sync the effects perfectly there.
We are willing to learn and work hard for this and with time we hope that we will grasp light programming and setups allot better. After allot of research we found Madrix to be the most affordable software so therefore we are hoping people here could help us out to get started!
:: QUESTION PART::
As mentioned earlier we are not in it to make money atm! So we put most of our revenues back into upgrading our friday club, we believe strongly that a great club is not only bout promoters but about the experience! At the moment i'd say we make around 1000-2000 euros per week depending on week that we can put straight back into lightning fixture upgrades!
Naturally this doesnt take us far but we'd like to try to do the best we can, so we have started investing in a "ledwall" made out of pixel bar 12's and hoping these can be controlled! Last week we bought our first 8 pieces and naturally ofcourse we found that its gonna take hell to make programs for them manually with "dmx joker"... We are aiming to finish at around a total of 40x pixel bar 12's
http://www.thomann.de/se/showtec_pixel_bar_12.htm
We want to make something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjQZ9YeC64g
And put it somewhere behind the dj booth!
Picture from last week
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 5754_n.jpg
more clear pictures of the venue to come....!
Since i would like to make this a longterm post for continues upgrades im posting our questions weekwise if thats okay?
2012
Questions for Week 31:
1. Is controlling and pixel mapping a ledwall out of 'pixel bar 12' possible with Madrix and what hardware do we need to think about? in terms of Computer with madrix all the way to the fixture including cables and patches along the way... (currently we just simply run dmx cables from fixture to fixture...)
2. Does madrix support Dmx joker 1024 or do we need to get a new controller. If so please recommend one that is future uppgradeable/scalable since we will be upgrading for atleast a year with more and more fixtures such as co2, many more moving heads, (real led walls?)
3. In terms of cost versus effects anyone know what we should get next after we complete our purchase of around in total of 40x pixel bar 12's
Since we made a base upgrade we are now looking to buy more expensive moving fixtures such as Robe robin 100 and mac 101's aswell as a permanent installation of Co2 effects.. Ofcourse it'll take us weeks and weeks to get it all done.. but hey 0.5-1 moving head each week aint to shabby in our eyes as long as we get there in the end!
4. [Low-priority] We are also looking to build our own ledwall one day from scratch with rgb strips... so far there are some guides such as this one which make it all look so simple.. we are sure that it cant be that easy atleast not in larger scales... and are looking for good links with guides and info on how to learn more bout these!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbdvrfwr ... re=related
If u just want to answer the questions i have u can skip the presentation part and go straight to the question part But since i am hoping this to be a longlived thread for like a year or longer i thought id make a brief presentation.
PRESENTATION PART:
12 of us local Djs in Stockholm recently started our own friday club in a venue that has quite a bit of potential with its high ceiling and large main floor! We play mainly house music and love what we do. This is a part-time project but most of us pour 15+ hours each week on this
We are in our 8th week and so far things are looking okay!
The problem has been that it has been a while since this venue had any type of shape-up in forms of lighting upgrades! The current lightning fixtures are more adapted for rock concerts than club experience!
We want to change all that and we started this project mainly not to make money but to work towards the club of our dreams in stockholm! Our dream is to one day in maybe a few years reach international club standard (if we get there god knows but thats what we aim for)!
We made immediate basic upgrades to the venues light system with what money we had starting with budget items:
6 triphases
8 moving heads (4x mv250 and 4x mh-x25)
16x par64
2x stairville strobe 1500
1x Antari Z-1200 (soon to be 2)
8x Pixel bar 12 (going to be 40)
Current controllers
Dmx joker 1024 (1 universe used atm)
Dmx Master I (hooked to the 16 pars with some very basic programming)
Now on the Dj side we are quite good but we know almost nothing about light control .. Although so far we run all the lights live with some basic programming! The upside to this is we know all excatly all the house tracks and where the drops, breaks and buildups go so we can sync the effects perfectly there.
We are willing to learn and work hard for this and with time we hope that we will grasp light programming and setups allot better. After allot of research we found Madrix to be the most affordable software so therefore we are hoping people here could help us out to get started!
:: QUESTION PART::
As mentioned earlier we are not in it to make money atm! So we put most of our revenues back into upgrading our friday club, we believe strongly that a great club is not only bout promoters but about the experience! At the moment i'd say we make around 1000-2000 euros per week depending on week that we can put straight back into lightning fixture upgrades!
Naturally this doesnt take us far but we'd like to try to do the best we can, so we have started investing in a "ledwall" made out of pixel bar 12's and hoping these can be controlled! Last week we bought our first 8 pieces and naturally ofcourse we found that its gonna take hell to make programs for them manually with "dmx joker"... We are aiming to finish at around a total of 40x pixel bar 12's
http://www.thomann.de/se/showtec_pixel_bar_12.htm
We want to make something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjQZ9YeC64g
And put it somewhere behind the dj booth!
Picture from last week
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 5754_n.jpg
more clear pictures of the venue to come....!
Since i would like to make this a longterm post for continues upgrades im posting our questions weekwise if thats okay?
2012
Questions for Week 31:
1. Is controlling and pixel mapping a ledwall out of 'pixel bar 12' possible with Madrix and what hardware do we need to think about? in terms of Computer with madrix all the way to the fixture including cables and patches along the way... (currently we just simply run dmx cables from fixture to fixture...)
2. Does madrix support Dmx joker 1024 or do we need to get a new controller. If so please recommend one that is future uppgradeable/scalable since we will be upgrading for atleast a year with more and more fixtures such as co2, many more moving heads, (real led walls?)
3. In terms of cost versus effects anyone know what we should get next after we complete our purchase of around in total of 40x pixel bar 12's
Since we made a base upgrade we are now looking to buy more expensive moving fixtures such as Robe robin 100 and mac 101's aswell as a permanent installation of Co2 effects.. Ofcourse it'll take us weeks and weeks to get it all done.. but hey 0.5-1 moving head each week aint to shabby in our eyes as long as we get there in the end!
4. [Low-priority] We are also looking to build our own ledwall one day from scratch with rgb strips... so far there are some guides such as this one which make it all look so simple.. we are sure that it cant be that easy atleast not in larger scales... and are looking for good links with guides and info on how to learn more bout these!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbdvrfwr ... re=related